The case is that those banned activities does not go with western culture therefore not acceptable to them, so how come it is ok to bring western form of culture like homosexuality to other countries? if the human rights issue is universal, then they should have allowed Hijjab and also mosques in any country without banning them.

I am just giving this as a example of the so called international rights, every country has its own traditions and culture which should be respected as long as it does not cause harm. The same like Hijjab has been banned in most European countries as they claim it is not inline with their traditions and values, the same with homosexuality, it is not an African tradition or part of African culture, a homosexual can come and leave and visit Africa but Africans themselves cannot legalize Homosexuality of their society because its not part of their natural culture.
EJ
UAH forumist

This practice was also until not too long ago criminal in most of the Western countries now threatening Uganda. That it has evolved and become a fundamental right to individual autonomy is a function of social dynamics of the kind that African countries should also be permitted to experience. Not by power, not by threats, not be coercion. But by a natural course of social life. I never heard a thing more preposterous than that a man should sleep with a man and a woman likewise. The very idea stirs revulsion. I have worked for years defending human rights in uganda. But it will take some doing to convince me to defend this particular “right’, if there is anything like that.

We must support buturo on this. NO WAY OUT
REHEMA.S
UAH forumist

BENJAMIN ZAAKE BUGANGA
UAH forumist

GODREY W. NSUBUGA
UAH forumist

Ahmed Katerega
NRM/UAH forumist

wafula Oguttu
UAH forumist/FDC

REHEMA.S
UAH forumist

I have browsed through and did not like a lot under Article 6: The summit.

You are borrowing from ODM in Kenya, but you should by now be aware of the problems ODM is facing. It is on the verge of collapse or split. You are setting yourself to fail too.

Further, are the parties you mention-is UPC in or not-coming together as corporate entities? What will happens to the respective party constitutions and even parties? Do you plan to register IPC as a political partly as NARC was in Kenya?

What happens if a section of FDC starts to make noise as is the case with the Ruto faction in ODM? Similarly, what happens when members of the Summit start to distance themselves from the Summit as is the case with Balala and Ruto in ODM?

You should follow developments in ODM very seriously because ODM has all but split, before you try to emulate their structure.

Also article 14: candidate selection. So each party shall after all nominate its candidate. What happens if there is no consensus in the Summit-summit members may be among those nominated by their respective parties?

You need to revisit several clauses in that document because it has too many traps and you will liave to regret it.

Here is the truth: the document is very timid and too cautious. If you are serious about IPC, come up with a bold and imaginative document than this. register IPC and dissolve those parties that have come together. Hold fresh elections under IPC and go all the way to nominate your candidate or candidates. Ugandans will only believe you about party uniy under IPC once the respective parties are no more. Under the current timid document, there is no incentive to make IPC work since you can go back to FDC and others can go back to their parties. Yes, for IPC to take off, FDC, JEEMA, SDP and CP must die.

Anyways, good luck.

WBK

1.They may drop Dr. Besigye as the IPC presidential candidate for a safe pair of hands such as Mao who sometimes comes across as a M7 Sympathiser
2.They drop robbust guys like Nambooze and semujju for the unknowns like Lubega Sam

The IPC needs to avail to us in time the list of all their candidates in different regions in the country. This will give these candidates enough exposure and time to mobilise people and finances.
Abbey Semuwemba
UAH forumist

OCAYA pOcure

Well, all of us from the rest of Uganda there is no hope that we can ever be included in our Ugandan Govenrment. Some of us like you Gombya we dont think we can ever go back to Uganda. Am from Kabale Rukiga but even this doesnt mean am a pro government man. But i had a friend of mine who is a Uganda’s Cabinet minister that if possible they will eliminate most of the prominent Baganda from the government but the State House is still planning how to do it without causing uprising like the one that too place a few months ago.

Great that Mr. Gombya you never had to leave orphans behind like Kayiira. Kayiira must have known this ealrier not to give up his UFM army. You remember that most of UFM fighters which was Kayiira’s movement, were the very ones that were packed up in the train wagons and set on fire at Mukula in Soroti District in Eastern Uganda. This very campaign was agreed upon by Museveni in a meeting with Fred Rwigyema, Elly Tumwiine and David Tinyefunza. They purposely killed Kayiira’s sordiers first before they could finally get rid of him. Those who dont know well now you know. Most of those who were killed at Mukula were former UFM sordiers. Any of them tha survived this masacre are the Baganda sordiers and others from West Nile who wre sent to Congo. You remember nonoe of those senior cadets of other tribes sent to congo never came back alive. These were not killed by Rwanda as it is alleged but insiders of Banyankole inside officers. I would caution senior army and other govenrment officials in Museveni’s Government to be careful or if they are wise they should leave and do private bussiness.
I have nothing personal against Museveni’s govenment byut this is is the reality guys, and the truth. Me the writer of tjis am a retired former “Kadogo” or child sordier am writting from facts i do get. I decided to turn into a University Lecturer but guys be careful, the days ahead are even gonna be darker in Uganda. thanks you.
Ssekabira Sam

Lets not even think of Mr. Gombya. The plan was to get Gombay and have him killed in jail so that he can never tell what he saw in that day.
We can put all the people from the west in this boat but the campaign to eliminate you Gombya and the rest especially those who led other liberation movements aprt from NRA of Museveni are still on on his hit sqaud.
From my inside souces actually Museveni has ordered a new form of slow-killing poison from Eastern Ukraine to try to kill even those powerful voices in the Ugandan diaspora abroad. For your information one of Museveni’s sordiers was arrested in heathrow for trying to smuggle biological weapons in form of sealed Anthrax to Uganda.

Me i want still pray for you Mr. Gombya that you watch who gives you food and who comes to your home. There is a campaign actually to eliminate most famous people from the rest of Uganda especially the Baganda from the Government and the ARMY. As am writting, there is a secret plan to kill the Baganda’s Kabaka or King so that after his death, Museveni would make it hard to have another king who would oppose his regime.
Me am i have my own confidential sources but the campaign to kill the so-called “Threats” of Museveni is far from over.

We are still investigating our sources that claim that Museveni actually planned the death of the former President Yusuf Kironde Lule. As soon as we get truth on this one we shall keep you informed. But be weary of any Bahima and Banyarwanda people near you. But more so be carefull against those that want to behave like “Mr or mrs” Nice to you.
Thanks
Magara Sam

Obote was as corrupt as Kaguta. The difference is that Kaguta has been in power for too long and he has stollen too much. During Obotes regim, there was little freedom in that talking against Obote’s corruption meant a death sentence.

Obote gave Uganda Breweries to a UPC man called Luwero (he has just returned to Uganda from exile). He gave away Uganda Coffee Marketing Board to Oyite Ojok and Oyite handed it over to Lusse.

He then informed the UNLA officers to find away of paying themselves since he had given them the guns. That is why you saw UNLA officers swinging their dicks on roadblocks.

Many government companies like Coca Cola, Uganda Cement etc were not registering any profits because money used to end up into UPC mafias’ accounts.

This George is just here chatting rubbish . Defending Obote’s massacre of Acholi UNLA officers.

He can’t even tell you the reason why to it is now abominable for an Acholi to marry a Langi
Herbert Buhanga
London
UAH forumist

You wrote:

“7/8 But even then, the land was actually never 9,000 Sq miles anyway. It was 5,538 Sq Miles, which has since dropped by the 667 in Kibale and 644 of the ranching schemes in Singo, Buruli and Masaka, leaving only 4,227 Sq Miles. It is really intriguing that one should insist on 9,000 when what there is is 4,227″.

Mr. Otto we refer to the “9,000 Sq. miles” of land in order to help us identify that particular portion of land which we are talking about in reference to land allocations under the 1900 agreement. I do not think that anyone including Mengo take the figure “9,000″ literally and believe in it as an accurate measurement of the size of land in question. No. The figure “9,000 Sq. miles” is used more as a marker, to help us identify and keep track of that particular portion of land disignated as “Waste and uncultivated land to be vested in Her Majesty’s Government, and to be controlled by the Uganda Administration”. “9,000 Sq. miles” is therefore used more as a designated “name” of this particular portion of land, rather than a statement about its actual size.

Thank you for the update regarding the 667 Sq. miles of Kibaale land which was taken out from the “9,000 Sq. miles” after the 1964 referendum and transfered to Bunyoro Kitara .

You refer to a further drop in the “9,000 sq. miles” by 644 Sq. miles due to ranchng schemes in Singo, Buruli and Masaka. I do not however accept that the ranching schemes which are merely a form of economic land use should in any way constitute a physical loss or separation of the area of land in question from being part and parcel of the “9,000 sq. miles”.

You also wrote:

“8/8 Mr Oruni, even with that 4,227, why do you imagine that the Kabaka should control it after you acknowledging that in 1967, Uganda ceased to be semi-federal and became unitary state”?

Mr. Otto the reason why I would imagine the Kingdom of Buganda should have controlling authority over the “9,000 Sq. miles” of land is because we are trying to negotiate political settlement. We would like to address the causes of the instability which beset Uganda subsequent to 1967. We all know that the government of Milton Obote made serious mistakes in its handling of the affairs of Buganda Kingdom and local authority generally in Uganda and we want to correct them. This is also a neccessary and logical step to Uganda becoming fully federal nation.

Regards

Pilipo Oruni
UAH forumist
London

I am always touched by the trajedy that fell my uncle, one Tom Omara brilliant school boy playwright a fact that more than led to his fate son to Rev. Gideon Okello from lango whose body was never seen again.he was a high school student at kings college budo between 1964 and 1966. when he dissappeared from school and was brutally murdered . its a shame on the state security intelligence headed by Akena Adoko by then because they never by provided information about his where abouts. we in the family want to know the truth.

I am always touched by the trajedy that fell my uncle, one Tom Omara brilliant school playwright a fact that more than led to his fate son to Rev. Gideon Okello from lango whose body was never seen again.he was a high school student at kings college budo between 1964 and 1966. when he dissappeared from school and was brutally murdered . its a shame on the state security intelligence headed by Akena Adoko by then because they never by provided information about his where abouts. we in the family want to know the truth.

What makes you believe that Buganda’s Attorney General didn’t bear article 15 in mind? Please not that he talks of “Buganda’s land mass”.

MUSISI BOSCO
Auckland

Once again, we go back to equivocating between “land” and “territory”. And this is typical. I have just been responding (and yes, responding, not merely reacting) to yours (that I can call a reaction) that conflates one category, a land owner with another category, the mode of ownership.

Note that Article 15 of the 1900 Agreement was not apportioning lakes……However, I am glad that you have read the Makubuya paper. Have read the one of the other Makubuya to which the former is a rebuttal?

Lance Corporal (Rtd) Otto Patrick

You write: “Indeed, when in 1937 the survey was completed, the actual land available was found to be 16, 138 Sq Miles, reflecting a deficiency of ,462 Sq Miles. According to the foregoing stipulation of theagrrement, the shortfall was deducted from the 9,000 sq Miles vested in the government, at the time, the British Empire. In other words, right from the start, what was actually vested in the central government government was 5,538 Sq Miles, and not 9,000 Sq Miles.”

But in a rebuttal to the statement by the Attorney General and Minister of Justice about the 9,000 sq. miles of 11 March 2008, Buganda’s Attorney General, Appolo Makubuya wrote:

“However, the task of settling the correct figures is made more complicated by the fact that in 1970, the Electoral Commission (comprising of Ateker Ejalu – Chairman, Bidandi Ssali, Eric Kyoya and Akena p’Ojok with the assistance of I.K. Kabanda – Government Statistician, G.W. Bakibinga – Commissioner Lands and Surveys and Jjagwe – Land Office Entebbe) issued detailed maps and tables stating Buganda’s land mass, excluding Buyaga and Bugangaizi to be 50,075 square kilometres or 19,334.065 square miles. So in 1970, at a time when the Central Government was openly hostile to Buganda and had every reason to underplay its land mass, a key Government organ was suggesting that Buganda’s size was actually bigger than the figures given in the settlement survey of 1913 to 1936 and we must assume that surveying and mapping technology had improved between 1936 and 1970.”

Would it not be prudent to tread cautiously, before Buganda’s 9,000 sq. miles are categorically rebutted in the light of this factual information? Or is it a case of sticking the head in the sand and ignore the much more up-to-date data of 1970, and instead insist on the plausibly flawed data of 33 years prior to that of 1970?

Musis Bosco
Auckland
UK

1/8 This is an interesting submission from you. Very interesting. I see the difficult stance you have to maintain sitting on the wall with Mmengo on the right and Entebbe on the left.

2/8 Just a little point on the 9,000 sq miles. Remember that Art. 15 of the 1900 Agreement hypothesized about the actal land available in Buganda. The assumption then was that there was 19,600 Sq Miles, hence the statement that: “Assuming the area of the Kingdom of Uganda, as comprised within the limits cited in this agreement, to amount to 19,600 square miles….”

3/8 The agreement goes further to note that: “After a careful survey of the Kingdom of Uganda has been made, if the total area should be found to be less than 19,600, then that portion of the country which is to be vested in Her Majesty’s Government shall be reduced in extent by the deficiency found to exist in the estimated area.”

4/8 Indeed, when in 1937 the survey was completed, the actual land available was found to be 16, 138 Sq Miles, reflecting a deficiency of 3,462 Sq Miles. According to the foregoing stipulation of theagrrement, the shortfall was deducted from the 9,000 sq Miles vested in the government, at the time, the British Empire. In other words, right from the start, what was actually vested in the central government government was 5,538 Sq Miles, and not 9,000 Sq Miles.

5/8 Below, you refer to “…the 1964 law amendment transferring present day Kibaale to Bunyoro…” . That law infact result into a further loss of 667 Sq Miles of government land (Crown Land) that was in Buyaga and Bugangaizi.

6/8 What I find interesting with you is that, you can acknowledge the existence of that law following the 1964 referendum, and at the same time assert that 9,000 Sq miles should be controlled by the Kabaka. I see you stating in another message that, “In 1967 after recognition of Buganda Kingdom and all other local authorities was withdrawn by the government of Milton Obote, the 9000 sq. miles of land was again retaken by the central government, which has kept it to date.” What game are you playing here? On on hand you want to appease the Mirima’s by making chanting references to the 1964 referendum, on the other hand you want to appease the Senyonjo’s by telling them that they can still have 9,000 sq Miles to control! But the 1964 referendum resulted in the reduction of that 9,000! The fact is, even if Buganda land had turned out to be 19,600 Sq miles, what you want the Kabaka would control would still be 9,000 minus crown land in Kibale.

7/8 But even then, the land was actually never 9,000 Sq miles anyway. It was 5,538 Sq Miles, which has since dropped by the 667 in Kibale and 644 of the ranching schemes in Singo, Buruli and Masaka, leaving only 4,227 Sq Miles. It is really intriguing that one should insist on 9,000 when what there is is 4,227.

8/8 Mr Oruni, even with that 4,227, why do you imagine that the Kabaka should control it after you acknowledging that in 1967, Uganda ceased to be semi-federal and became unitary state? Why should a retired Corporal initiate his claim for a combat helmet from the perspespective that he once owned it, while failing to realise that he owned it because he was in active service? Why not start with reversing the retirement? Why not start by launching a mature, systematic, well-thought out, well-researched, non-cantankerous campaign to be recalled from retirement?

Lance Corporal (Rtd) Otto Patrick
UAH forumist
United Kingdom

Will follow your blog – keep it up!

Best regards,
Rich.

The number 0.08362, is brought to life by what our current census proclaims it to be. I’m deeply worried that L_Cpl Otto, is more obsessed about a people who have been brutalized by this regime, and he has failed to focus on the real issue of unsubstantiated growth in the numbers of tribes and population, factors that have grossly inflated our population.

The loss in population growth for the Acholi people, if the rate above is correct based on our census, may bear out those who made the extrapolation of 1000/week, when we look at all present and future opportunities of growth.
This is never an enumeration of the discrete type as we count inanimate objects, we have to put into consideration that some of these young men and women who died during this period may have had the capacity to produce 6-12 off springs, coupled with the fact that a person infected with aids virus has the ability of infecting others for a span of 50 plus years, how does Otto intend on counting this exponential loss, all these consideration make this a very complex issues.
That is why it is difficult to compensate folks caught in such internment camps, because there is no way of fully inventorying their loss, with that I advice Patrick Otto, to respect the loss of the Acholi people, until they themselves can come to grips with their own loss-we should all as Ugandans try and concentrate on how we can help them to recover from their worst nightmare. Doing otherwise is to fall into the Ahmadinejad holocaust denial trap, denying the obvious.

Tendo kaluma
Ugandan in Boston

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By the way, F x = ½ m ( V + v ) ( V is force acting a constate the above equare on a particle. A constant and at time t. The particle is the x-axis to be is W = m v². What time t. Here v ) / t = ½ m v². What t = ( V – v is way: The constant kinetic energy of the produce above equare of a directionstant x? We may the kinetic energy of this to the choose t. The particle in causing a = F and the product of F and this way: The call on then stant and V – v is equal to be is W = m V² – v ) ) / t = ( V – v ) / t = m a.

Lance Corporal (Rtd) Otto Patrick (OC GIBBERISH)

Iwe Omusoga iwe, by the end of the day the Acholi people will have realized more deaths through transmittable diseases like AIDS, Cholera, typhoid and dysentery from living for 10 years in such confinements camps. Lets take a guesstimate of a growth rate of 0.083 rising out of the number increase from 1978 (13 million Ugandans) to 1988(30 million Ugandans) this would give us a growth rate of P(t)=P(0)e^rt where initial population(0) of 13 million is expressed as 13E6 and the current P(10) population of 30 million is expressed as 30E6. Now this is the fun part the methodology for extracting the growth rate r, this might include other factors such as immigration-we will make an assumption that they were not key in the overall ugandan population growth.

30E6=13E6e^rt
ln(P(t))=ln(P(0)) +ln(e^rt)
ln(P(t))-ln(P(0))=rt(ln(e)) t=10 years
(ln(P(t))-ln(P(0))/10) =r
r =(ln(30E6) -ln(13E6)/10=(17.217-16.380)/10=0.8362
This is a rough rate of growth that could be used to make a case for the Acholi people, if they had 4 million people at the beginning of the 10 years of encampment; lets compute with the above growth rate how many people would have been produced during that period.

P(0) =4E6; P(10) =?
P(10)=4E6*e^(.0836*10) =9230769.23
9230769.23-4000000=5230769.23

About 5 million people; if we assume that for 3650 days in ten years all production ceased and every new borns died we would be and there was no population growth we would be looking at 1425 people loss per day. If we use the current growth rate of about 3.56
it would be close to 500 people a day.

Nebyo

Tendo Kaluma
Boston

My friend Corporal Otto, playing games with figures is not going to erase a babarism that is now indeliby embedded in the annals of history and in the conciousness of a people forced against their will to suffer and to bleed at the hands of a brutal regime.Thats why this chapter of our history will never away and justice one day will catch up with perpetrators of these crimes no matter how long it take.

Many thanks
George Okello

ASP Chemonges presided over my ordeal at Jinja Road police station.
ASP Mission Samuel, the OC of Makerere Police Post looked on when his
juniors were whipping me.

The OC CID allegedly told friends who had come to plead for my release
on police bond that she was ordered by IGP Major Gen. Kale Kayihura
not to release me. But I am also going to send some of the letters I
have sent to the president and the one I sent to Kale Kayihura.
I have complained before all institutions and I haven’t got justice
and only what I get are threats and threats.

I was deprived of the money that I wanted to pay for my tuition and as
I speak now I haven’t paid and I may not be able to sit the exams.
Please do all it takes to help me. Meanwhile I will send attachments
of the letters mentioned above and you would help me publicise them
including on very popular websites.

Vincent Nuwagaba